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2:37 PM BBT: Jag and Blue talk in the backyard

Blue says they need to talk to Hisam. She thinks they should bring in Izzy but it also makes a lot of sense to bring in Felicia and Cirie also

Jag says they should wait on that, and just talk to Hisam

Blue says it would be cool to see them two go far in this game, and it would be numbers from the other side to them

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2:41 PM BBT: Blue and Jag go sit with Hisam

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Hisam asks if they're still working with the same people

Blue says she wants to start playing her way
 
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2:45 PM BBT: Cirie talks with Cory in the living room

Cirie says she had a conversation with Reilly and she told her she can't promise her anything because of her side, and she doesn't want to be caught out alone. Hisam's gonna know

Cory says Reilly is running around asking them to not mention it because she doesn't want (Cirie) to get caught. She's like don't even mention it to each other

Cirie says it's a total wrong thing to do

Cory says it doesn't make much of a difference ultimately but they said yep sure. It was just him and America she was telling

Cirie says she doesn't trust America

Cory says she's running around joining the biggest group she sees

Cirie says that's great

Cory says people are already talking about next week

Cirie says they've started that conversation and she thinks if they get any chance at all at Hisam, they have to do it

Cory says she knows he's on board for that. It benefits him the most

Cirie says she agrees but they're with that too because you'r eonly gonna get one opportunity

Cory says it's the kind of the thing where it's Sunday and the comp is Thursday and you know if Hisam catches wind of anything it's gonna be a disaster

Cirie says she's only had this conversation with him, Jared, and Izzy. She would never have that conversation outside of them

Cory says at first he thought someone on Reilly's side would win and get him out but at this point he doesn't know if Jag would do it, o rif Blue would do it. America's not trying to win competitions

Cirie says she doesn't know if Red would do it. Cameron might do it

Cory says he doesn't know how it plays out, but it's a situation where they can't let him play in a veto comp. It has to be a backdoor

Cirie says if he doesn't win the veto then you gotta get him

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Cirie says it sucks that Reilly is doing that. What the f*** is she doing? F***ing running around saying

Cory says she thinks she's protecting her

Cirie says it's not helping her though because she doesn't know who all she's saying that to

Cory says because at the start she was going around to all of them saying it's them six, she's got Cirie and Felicia, so they have the votes no matter what. Now she's realizing that might not be the case and she's thinking "wait, am I throwing Cirie under the bus?"

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Cory says people keep saying Hisam's not gonna put up Blue or Jag ever, but ultimately numbers run out and you gotta

Cirie says he mentioned Blue yesterday.

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Cirie says there should only be three votes (for Reilly)
 
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3:01 PM BBT: America talks with Izzy in the game room (inside balcony)

Izzy asks America if she's voting out Reilly

America hesitates and says first of all she already said she wouldn't have used the veto. She's not locked in with her decision yet. She planned on having a conversation with Hisam and seeing where his head is at because she wants to be good with him. She wants to work with strong players that she can count on and that will be honest with her and aren't going to leave her out of decisions.

Izzy says she believes in that too. She thinks that's been Reilly's big issue

America says it's funny because if Izzy can see that, it's very apparent. It's a lot of "me me me"

Izzy says it's not yet individual or it's individual but what's going to move groups forward to then understand dynamic to then whittle down those groups to final two. So the alienating of people...

America says she sees it and people are seeing it. She doesn't think the core group is seeing it

Izzy says America's close to blue, it seems like Blue's unmovable when it comes to Reilly

America says exactly

Izzy says she's not sure what Reilly has done or said to make them cling to the sinking ship

America says they're really tight. Tighter probably than she and Blue are

Izzy says Blue's mentioned Reilly to her in every conversation she's said to her, and she knows Reilly isn't working with her, Reilly wants to put her on the block so... she doesn't know why she's telling her she's so tight. It makes her feel sketch

America says she feels like when they don't tell her anything, or names, she feels like isn't she supposed to be her friend? So it's not about "us", it's about "me". She doesn't want to say too much because she doesn't want to throw anybody under the bus but...

Izzy says the perception that she has is...

America says no it's what she's feeling. She brought it up to Hisam and he's like that's the perception too

Izzy says but it's like they cling to this, what makes them think that she will ever work with them after the fact

Jared comes up

Jared says people are so obvious when they're talking. They're like "what up?"

Izzy says not everyone can be as cool as him
 
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3:08 PM BBT: Cirie talks with Jag outside

Jag asks Cirie if she would want Reilly to say nothing

Cirie says just don't say another word about her (Cirie) at all. Why is she doing that?

Jag says if they go through with this it's obviously gonna be a blindside. Hisam, a lot of folks are gonna be surprised. At that point people are gonna wanna know who was the squad that voted to keep her, and who on her side does she think they're gonna be like this person

Cirie says she thinks her and Felicia. If it's more than him and Blue, they're gonna think her, Felicia, probably Jared, maybe Cory. They're not gonna think Izzy because she doesn't talk to Cirie. They know it isn't Hisam. She said Red didn't come up to her HOH so they won't think it's Red. So they're expecting Matt, Blue, and him as votes for her. Hisam seems to think it's gonna be unanimous but she doesn't know why

Jag says if she does vote that way and they keep Reilly, obviously they're gonna need a group of people that are all voting for Reilly to stay

Cirie asks if he's sure he has that group

Jag says they're gonna have to make sure. He knows she's tight with Jared too

Cirie says mmhm. She just doesn't want to be left out in the cold looking stupid

Jag says he knows for sure him, her if she's down, Blue, Matt, and he wants to say Jared, and Cory, and America. That's the swquad that makes sense to him

Cirie asks if he's sure about America

Jag asks if she's the one that she's doubting

Cirie says she has questions because she doesn't know where she stands

Jag says he feels like he can trust her. She's been hanging out with him. He asks if she's been hanging out with them

Cirie says not really

Jag says he thinks she's gonna be solid in terms of voting for Reilly

Cirie says she's just so scared to get caught up in this mess

JAg says that's what he wanted to talk to he rabout. There's different ways they can play this to make sure everything is solid. Other blindsides that he's seen. There's one that you just vote that way and that's what it is but people that are voting to keep Reilly are only gonna do it if they know they have numbers

Cirie says exactly

Jag says how he sees it is the people that are all part of the blindside all know who's in the blindside, and usually what happens is that causes the people that vote the other way, they end up spiraling or being like who the f*** flipped, and it's good for everyone that pulled off the blindside to be on the same page. He has her back but they're gonna hvae to say something like who did it. So that's the second layer of the game is being on the same page. Because if he's saying, people will ask and try to get info, and if he's saying Red, and then she's saying she doesn't know, and someone else says it was Bowie, it might be a sh** show

Cirie says that's super scary for her

Jag says if everyone is saying they chatted with so and so. If there's somebody that she's not as close with that she's like this is someone that if it comes to it, which sometimes it doesn't, but if it does they're gonna have to have that person where they're like nah this person. This is the person that...

Cirie says she doesn't know. The more she's getting scared to do it because there's too much talking going on. There's a lot of talking going on

Jag asks if there's any more talking going to her people

Cirie says she doesn't know, and that's what she can't have happen

Jag says he doesn't think there's any talking happening other than with her, which is scary, but he thinks it's a good thing that whoever's talking to her trusts her and wants to work with her because clearly he's on that page, Reilly's on that page. He's expecting the others who are talking to her are on that page because they want to work with her and this would be a huge move obviously. It's gonna be a huge move but he thinks, and they're gonna have to continue their convos and pull it off but it would be big in terms of setting her up really well as well, because now she's with everyone on this side. Everyone that voted with Reilly is gonna have her back no matter what because she voted, so that puts her in a good position with them, and on her side, he doesn't think anyone's gonna doubt her there either. There's no concrete evidence. It's gonna be all he said she said. Like oh Bowie Jane's been hanging out with Jag a lot, maybe Jag caused that. Or this happened

Cirie says then they have to stop talking to her. And Reilly has to stop talking period about her. That's too much of her name associated with Reilly, they're gonna know it was her

Jag says yeah it's a big move but at the end of the day they have her back if this is what they end up doing because obviously they're gonna have to be really smart about it ... Jag says he thinks the best position to be in in this game is if you're able to work with both sides

Cirie says she doesn't like that because that's what Cameron did and nobody trusts Cameron

Jag says Cameron did it so differently. His sh** was, he doesn't even know. That wasn't like I"m gonna vote this or that way, it was like... now no one trusts him. Also he doesn't know why he did that because did she or somebody else tell him they have his back where

Cirie says no. He just came over and said that's a mess and he wants to come over here ... Let her think on it because she doesn't want to put herself in a bad position either. So let her think about what's the best thing to do. There's so many people saying her name already associated to it and if it comes out that she did it would be horrible for her. Horrible. Her whole side... yeah.

Jag asks if she thinks it's gonna come out at some point. What's her main worry

Cirie says yeah just because so much talk of it happening

Jag says but only with her right? Is she hearing from other people

Cirie says no she hasn't talked to anybody else yet, but just the fact that she said when they left the bathroom "just keep that between me and you and her", and it's already out. That scares her, right? If something that small can't be kept, how can her voting the other way be kept?

Jag asks if it was out because he knows Reilly said after that convo, Cirie left and he and Reilly were still in there and she was like she doesn't want people to know that Cirie's with them because that's the thing that's scary

Cirie says she knows but (??) shouldn't have said nothing

Jag says he thinks that's something they definitely have to chat about because she was like oh sh**

Cirie says no, stop talking at all

Jag asks if she wants to tell her, or she wants him to tell her

Cirie says if she sees her, she'll tell her but it's like now she's like aw God

Jag says he doesn't know who exactly she chatted with or who she told
 
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Cirie says just because information is getting from side to side some kind of way and she doesn't know how that is. So she was like don't even repeat this bathroom conversation, because she knew it would be him, her, or Reilly that said something. Now she doesn't know. So it's like damn, and then she wants her to take this big leap hoping nobody's gonna say anything? "I don't know Jag"

Jag says yeah, it's scary.

Cirie says it is

Jag says either way he's got her no matter what, so

Cirie says right, and she wanted to say that to him. She really likes Reilly and she wants her to stay but if in fact she doesn't, she doesn't she want that to... she wants the two of them to know... but here's the thing. She thinks they're probably going to approach him if Reilly goes, and she's totally open to that. She told him a long time ago. What she told him was serious. Now she doesn't know if they're going to be able to save Reilly. If they don't she still f***s with him heavy.

Jag says that's what he's saying. He definitely wants to work with her regardless of everything. They don't even know what's gonna happen with twists and everything

Cirie says exactly

Jag says he definitely wants to work with her. He trusts her

Cirie says she does too. She wouldn't be talking this to him if she didn't trust him

Jag says he can't tell the vibe of their side

Cirie asks meaning what?

Jag says he can't tell the vibe of... because he's trying to figure out who he can work with because he feels like with last weke a lot of them were just thrown into something, it's like put in that situation, you can't be like no. You're just like alright

Cirie says it's no secret that she messes with Izzy heavy. Like real heavy. And Jared told her to talk to him so she thinks he needs to be thinking outside of the situation he's currently in for alternate possibilities

Jag says that's why he wanted to talk to her. He talked to Jared as well. He likes Jared

Cirie says she likes Jared a lot. She thinks he's a stand up kid and she feels like she can trust Jared, and honestly she feels like she trusts Izzy with her life

Jag says he really like Felicia as well

Cirie says she loves Felicia obviously. She didn't mention her name but she thought that was a no-brainer

Jag says he was talking to Jared. He would love to work with her, Jred, Felicia, and Izzy he would love to work with her but he just doesn't know how she feels about him after the split

Cirie says just have a conversation with her. Izzy's never said a negative thing to her about him. She thinks if he has a conversation with... because she f***s with Izzy

Jag says he does too, and they were having that convo and Izzy walked in and he chatted with her too, he just doesn't know for sure, and...

Cirie says Izzy's tired of people not shooting their shot. So when he goes and talks to Izzy...

Jag says his thing is there's individual people that he f***s with, and he's like he's not gonna make it far by just individually f***ing with... He's trying to make something but he definitely wanted to check back in with (Cirie) to see..

Cirie says she thinks he goes to Izzy and tell her that he talked to her, and that he wants to f*** with them

Jag says if they start something...

Cirie says that' sthe difference with them, you're never gonna hear about them starting anything and he'll be safe with them

Jag says that's his thing. When this sh**... he was just so mad because he knows he's not the type to spill sh**. The fact that someone in their alliance did that he was like bro... right off the bat like that? He wasn't even in a position... His thing for her is, what does she think would be the best move if they're trying to align or make an alliance

Cirie says she thinks what would be really good is him, Izzy, her, Jared, Felicia. If he's looking for something long term, dependable, solid. Because everyone's gonna be going for Hisam. He's in a position right now but

Jag says what he's worried about there is he knows Hisam and Izzy are mad close

Cirie says not closer than this

Jag says all he's worried about is if it's a package deal

Cirie says no. It is not. It is not. And he can have that conversation separately with Izzy

Jag asks how she feels about Bowie, Red, and MeMe

Cirie says she loves Bowie and Red but

Jag says she doesn't have to say more. He's with her already

Cirie says she told him who she's for sure for sure

Jag asks what about MeMe

Cirie says she thinks MeMe f***s with them

Jag says he likes her a lot. He f***s with her vibe. It's easy to talk to her. He definitely confided in her

Cirie says right but nobody's shot their shot with MeMe so she thinks it would be beneficial for him to have a real, stop the bullsh** conversation like "I f*** with you Meme, and I would like to play". That's the problem, nobody's really saying that

Jag asks Cirie if they would want Mecole to be part of the people they mentioned already or

Cirie says she thinks they have to start small. The problem is they always go with so many people. You can't have an 18 person alliance. But 5 is going to be majority. If they have people that are voting with them, that's obviously like MeMe. She doesn't know about Red, Bowie. Yes they can make those friends but that's security padding. When they a core alliance, it has to be small. It can't be like a whole bunch of everybody

Jag asks how she feels about Blue or Matt. He knows she said she's iffy about America

Cirie says just because she doesn't know where she stands because she's already had conversations with her

Jag says she has or hasn't?

Cirie says she has, and it's just nothing. She started a conversation with Blue a while back, but it was early. She likes Blue. She loves Matt obviously. But they all can't. They'll be right back in the same situation if they have an eight, seven person alliance.

Jag says he thinks it's fine if there's more people, it just has to be the right people. People that won't talk. A squad that's super solid. Cory would be the last person. He's a good kid

Cirie says she thinks Cory likes Jared, so Jared would be the one to talk to about Cory. She thinks the two of them should chill out for a while because if they keep seeing them together, they're gonna think something. If they do this, they can do it but it would have to be real quiet. That's the problem. Their sh** wasn't quiet and then Cameron just blew it all up

Jag says if they pull off what they're trying to pull off this week, does that change the conversation about the squad moving forward?

Cirie says probably

Jag asks if it's gonna be six or does it stay five, and if so who does she replace

Cirie says if it's pulled off obviously the conversation would change because you would have to include Reilly. You'd have to count Reilly. She doesn't think that they would need more than that

Jag says then what would be the squad for her

Cirie says she's loving Izzy and Felicia, so she's not ready with them. So it would be him Reilly and another person.

Jag says him, Reilly, Felicia, her, Izzy

Cirie says think about it. They don't have to rush into all that. Day by day and see what happens

Jag asks how she feels about Matt

Cirie says she likes Matt a lo tbut she assumed Matt was with Reilly and them

Jag says he really likes Matt as well

Cirie says he's just never talked game to her

Jag says he thinks that's cause he's loyal and that's a really good sign. That's all he can say about Matt. He has a special place in his heart for him

Cirie says same

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3:32 PM BBT: America leaves and Izzy and Cory continue talking in the game room. Jared is napping up there

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They discuss taking a shot at Hisam

Cory says he thinks Hisam is talking worse about Blue than Blue thinks, and he feels like if she was told that that's a person could be convinced.

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Cirie joins

Cirie says she can't talk to Jag anymore. Jag keeps talking. She was like he has to chill, stop talking to her ... talking to her so much

Cory says he knows it's stupid to speculate but watching this show, this week or next week it's probably an endurance comp and Blue has as good a shot as anybody. He doesn't think he can sway her any way really. And if she's not putting up Hisam or any of the Reilly people, they're running out of people. Maybe Cam or Bowie or Red. Maybe that would be something to try to figure out

Cory says he still has to talk to America, she was just up here

Cirie says don't say anything about her to America

Cory says he's just gonna say when she talks to Hisam just say what she was gonna say which was she's probably gonna vote out Reilly

Cirie says don't mention her at all to America

Izzy says America was trying to talk to her, but Jared came upstairs. She doesn't trust America but she was getting her to talk and she's basically doing what Jag is doing, and basically being like she knows that she's not in on whatever

Cory says she feels like she's in the same spot as him and Jared, and he's telling her she's not gonna go down with the ship
 
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3:33 PM BBT: America talks with Jag otuside

... America asks who his crew is

Jag says her, the f***? ... It feels like the other side is locked

America says solid, yup. There's no infiltrating

Jag says he can't tell if there is or isn't

America says there is

Jag says he feels like there isn't

America says it feels like there isn't

Jag says but there is. There always is

America says she thought of a name for them

Jag says him and her?

America says no because she knows they talked about the Family Style but she has another name

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