11:57 AM BBT: Hisam talks with Matt in the HOH room
Matt says he would've wanted HOH this week just so he could have one on one conversations with everyone
Hisam says people say he's working with Reilly, and Jag, and Blue
Matt says he's close with them, and they're hanging out a lot, but he doesn't know if they're gonna be an alliance
Hisam says people say they already have a name for their alliance. There were eight of them, and someone told them there was already a name for the alliance
Matt says he doesn't know the name, but they have met up. He's very left out because he can't hear. He just knows it's that eight, and then (Hisam's side)
Hisam tells Matt that someone told him that Matt said that he was unmovable, too stubborn, and couldn't be worked with.
Matt says he never said that. THe only thing he's told anyone is that he hasn't talked game with Hisam yet. He's never talked bad about him. He's not a liar. He's not gonna at lying. He never said that
Hisam says he believes that
Hisam says something that's happened is that Reilly has told everyone that she's targeting him
Matt says she definitely wouldn't
Hisam asks why he thinks that
Matt says she told him that she got very upset the other day, when they had a one on one, and that he felt like he targeted her, and she was crying. He doesn't think she would target him
Hisam says she's told multiple people that she was targeting him
Matt asks if he sees what he said about being left out
Hisam says that he's heard from multiple people. He asked her and she confirmed that. She told him that she saw him and Izzy as the biggest threats on the other side of the house and that she needed to get them out
Matt says okay
HIsam says so there is no question in his mind that that happened. He's considering since she said his name, to put her up for nominations. He knows Matt is working with her. The question he has is if Matt won the veto competition, would he save her
Matt says it depends who the other person would be. He's definitely gotten close with her. She (??) a lot for him because he can't hear. And he appreciates that from her. He's very loyal. She's done a lot for him inside the house like that. But definitely not showmance, and people keep saying that
Hisam says he doesn't think the two of them are romantically involved. It's too early. He doesn't see that. He definitely gets the sense that they're connected but not romantically involved. Is that a reason people might target the two of them? Yeah. Is that good for his game? No
Matt says he thinks they have that level of understanding when he's not understanding things she'll come talk to him, when he's venting about the struggles of the game.. She thinks everyone is getting to that point of get next to Matt, help him out, and she's been doing that.
Hisam says he thinks people are starting to understand and look out for him more, and people are doing better with communicating directly with him
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Hisam discusses the fear of showmances and tells Matt he doesn't think Reilly is good for his game, and they're still in the first 10 days, so be mindful of where he attaches his cart because that might determine his order of eviction. The way the house is structured right now, the side that's more consolidated has the ability to eliminate anyone they want, so saving someone might not be good because literally you have a group of people that will come after you. He thinks the two of them can work with each other. He has a tremendous amount of respect for his disciple, determination, and resilience. He also knows that he's really loyal
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Matt says he thinks the groups are very brekable. He thinks this week is gonna set the tone
Hisam says that's why this week he wants to set the tone. He knows that Reilly is talking about getting him out. He cannot allow a threat like that to stay. It's very important to him that Reilly leaves this week. Of everyone in this house, the only person who's mentioned a target is Reilly. The only person who's mentioned him is target, and it would stupid for him to let Reilly continue to play when she's talked about getting him out.
Matt says part of him would want to tell her, but he wants this to be a trust thing. He hopes no one else tells her. That will show him that he can be loyal to him and he hopes that goes a lon way.
Hisam says he's not gonna pretend to Reilly that he's not targeting her. He's not gonna tell her she's going home because they're not allowed to do that, but Reilly's not stupid. She's played this game. He's surprised by her gameplaying because he doesn't think he would've told everyone on the planet that his target is Izzy and Hisam, especially on day 8. that sounds crazy to him
Jared is back, and talking to Reilly in the Scary room
Hisam is talking to Mecole in the in the HOH room
Mecole says she doesn't think it would be the best choice to put Reilly on the block. If it was her, she would put Cameron and Matt.
Hisam says the three he has are Cameron, Matt, Reilly. Reilly, because she's named them. Cameron because a lot of them feel uneasy with him, they don't know where his loyalty is, and he rubs people the wrong way, and they need him to show his cards. Matt happened to be in a place but may not be part of that place, and he's a good competitor. He has something against backdooring people. The good part of putting her up against someone like Cameron is that they're gonna be antagonistic immediately. The person he thought would pull her down would be Cameron. I she gets pulled for veto and pulls herself down, she's safe and she pulls Cameron out, which is bad. To him maybe put them up together knowing that one of them is gonna go home.
Mecole says of those two she pulls down Cameron
Hisam says he's protecting her, and he's been playing around to try to save her game, and that's really dangerous. Putting her up initially or backdooring her, he thinks for the group, it's best where if she pulls herself down, they vote out Cameron. If she pulls herself down then they work on everyone else around her, and work on taking everyone else away from her, which is already starting to happen.
Mecole asks if he believes it to be true
Hisam says he does. He thinks tha talliance was formed quickly. He doesn't think they're really bonding. he thinks that people are looking for worlds where she may not be here. He thinks people see her as dangerous and emotional, and he thinks a lot of people see that she's not great with her games. They're on day 10 and the only person who's mentioned anybody's name of anybody who's still here is Reilly, and that's on her. Which makes it really easy to justify why she's going up and to explain to everyone why she was chosen. Just like Cory about the sh** he says, she can't be flippant about the names that she gives. You should know that your actions have consequences.
Mecole says she feels that's the same level of accountability that was held for Kirsten. Kirsten's reasons for going on the block was because she was running around saying alliances were formed, xyz. There was no mercy or grace extended to her, and so she feels the exact same.
Hisam says he wants that to be fair. THere's no need fo Reilly to get special treatment. She allowed Kirsten to compete fo rher life. Great. Kirsten competed for her life, she unfortunatelyd id not win. She was evicted. The same thing an be true for Reilly. And just from a fan standponit. From a game standpoint because he personally doesn't want to be backdoored. It's a sh***y way of doin gsomething. Every time he sees it, he gets teh strategy, he understands it's important, but at the same time, come on. They all didn't think that one of them could beat them? There also in a place where they can beat her.
Mecole says yeah, they all get to play in the veto
Hisam says they can beat her. She's not the only one playing. She's beatable
Mecole says and the backdoor option is contingent upon the fact that all the stars align
Hisam says it erally is a lot of things. IN the process of all that you'er also causing harm because you're putting this person on the block, and whne you win you take them off the block, but you don't know how they feel about you anymore. And the truth is once you put somebody on the block... if you put him on the block. Like if somebody from the Professors, he'd be like no no no, something is f***ed. You don't do that to people you're working with. You don't chance their safety. He's not chancing his people's safety. Cameron has to prove that he's on their side. He asks Mecole if she would be cool with it being Cameron and Reilly
Mecole says she would be 100% okay with that ... She thinks from there REilly is now in a position where she's been put on the block so she's vulnerable. She's not the best competitior in this house. She can be beat, and now she needs to maybe reconsider and re-adjust who she's working with, where her loyalties lie. If that side continue to win, they're going to continue to other a certain group of people, so that's where she's at.
2:20 PM BBT: Hisam talks with Reilly in the HOH room
Hisam: So how are things going
Reilly: I'm good yeah. I'm good. I'm happy to be downstairs. I'm happy downstairs and just being with everyone and relax, and I feel a lot of pressure lifted off my shoulders just as everything went last week, I'm just like I want a clean slate just to start over and just to like take a breath. Focusing on my breathing (laughs)
Hisam: I want to tell you I'm so thankful I got to watch your HOH because it helped inform what I would do with my HOH, and wha tI would just tell you is that none of us knew until one of us did it, and I reall yappreciate you doing it.
Reilly hugs Hisam
Hisam: It showed us how hard it is because I underestimated how tricky it is, but it's really tricky. And so I wanted to have a... I'm prefacing this with everybody. I'm talking to people individually. I'm telling people things that I believe are confidential. I wanna basically give you space to talk. I wanna have spae to talk and I want this to stay between us. The reason is that I just think it's so early in the ebginning of the game that any small thing can be transferred into a big thing and then it's just like. So I really wanna be mindful about that. So I'm not sharing anything that anyone says to anyone that I'm working with, just so you know. And when people ask I say I told people I wasn't gonna share just as I'm not gonna share your thoughts with them
Reilly: Gosh I wish you were HOH so you could set the tone (laughs)
Hisam: Yeha so I just want you to know that. I want to be really respectful. THis is a really vulnerable place for people to be. It has huge ramifications both emotionally and for their gameplay, so I just wanna be real thoughtful
Reilly; Thank you
Hisam: So, what are your thoughts. We had sort of a turbulent week. What are your thoughts moving forward. So how do you feel the way things are going. So yeah tell me
Reilly; I mean as I said I'm just reall yhappy to be down there and my thoughts right now are just I want to clean slate everything. I just think that I wish if I could press a button I would start over, and take things way slower. I'm still kind of coming down from that really emotional feeling of everyone's watching me and I'm paranoid and like not being myself and so right now I just wanna take a week to take things slow. I would love to rebuild with you and rebuild with Izzy. I had such a good conversation with Izzy and I reassured her I'm so sorry that I made you both feel that way. That is so not something I believe in, who I am. I just wanted to reiterate that to you again. THat is so far from the truth. But right now I just wanna take the week and relax. If you have it in your heart to work with me I would love that and if you don't I understand that too and yo uknkow
Hisam: It's not tha tI don't wanna work with you. I just wanna be transparent with you.
Reilly: Please do
Hisam: You've seen who I am. I believe in being honest and transparent, having integrity, even if that means I don't win. Because I think that's hte only way fo rme to feel good abou tmy experience leaving this house. And it's already been very turbulent for me, and I have done a lot of things and surprised myself in a really good and bad way. So I just wanna be really open about that. So to set the scene for you is that like. What's been pretty clear to me is that we're in week 2, week 1, and the only person who's mentioning anybody's name is you
Reilly: I know
Hisam: And you knwo that right?
Reilly: Of course, and I want to be honest with you too. I did and it came from a place of paranoia
Hisam: I get why it happens. You explained to me why it happened. I understand why it happened. It's appropriate for that ot have happened. I'm happy that it was not an implicit bias moment, and I believe all of that, so do not apologize. I believe all of that. There is no doubt in my mind. I believe you 100%. So this happens right? And the concern that I have is that if I don't mention you, people are gonna be like what the f***? She totally said she was gonna evict gun , right?
Reilly: Right
Hisam: Says which then eliminates any chance of people being like is he, what the f*** is he doing? You see how that would be... where people would be like, she mentions his name. We have a nomination ceremony, and he doesn't mention her? Which then everybody is like well of coufse is he backdooring her?. But I don't ebleive in that. I don't believe in abckdooring people. Primarily because I don't think that your game should ever end when you didn't have a chance to save yourself. And I think it's unfair. I understand the logistics of the game. I understand how the backdoor cme to be. I know why it's an important component, but also at the same time, from my human level, my competitive level, I wanna see real ly good gameplay, and what I love about a season is when there's a redemption moment. THere's a moment wher you think that all cards are stacked against them and then they win, and I think that's why everyone gravitated toward Taylor last year. Cause it feels like all of the things were stacked against her, and here she is crowned the winner of BB24
Reilly: Yeah. absolutely
Hisam: And so like I Just wanna be clear. I'm not gonna backdoor you. Which then basically leaves me in this predicament, which is like what do I do now that I have this piece of information that I heard, that was started by you, and how do I maneuver from that. And so I don't feel like I have much of a choice in this, but I want to be honest with you about it, and that has nothing to do with not wanting to work with you. It has nothing to do with not respecting you and appreciating you as a gameplayer, because I really do, and my hope is that you are able to win so that there is a plaace where we can work togetehr . BUt I feel like i have to do something to respond to this. Does that make sense to you?
Reilly: mmhm
Hisam: I know it sucks. Do you hear it that way? I know it sucks to hear it that way. Because I just feel that if I didn't people wouldbe like he's sheisty and he's acting behind the scenes, and now the two of them are aligned ,and that's just a lot of paranoia and suspiciousness when we have barely talked game and we have been adversarial ever at the start. I just feel like it puts us both in a really bad place. And if not you then me? and if not you then me, it's us together.. ANd unfortunately, I think we're both strong, but we're not strong enough to take on 13 people. Does that makes sense to you?
Reilly: mmhm
Hisam: And so the question is who to put up next to you, right? And I've been having conversations to figure out who that would be. As you know it's gonna be people you have been aligned with, but I don't know who that is yet. It's obviously not Jag cause Jag is gone right? So that's kind of where we are. Do you have an idea of who you might wanna see next to you?
Reilly: Um, I'm gonna let you make that decision. It's your choice and I respect that. I don't think it's appropriate for me to make that choice for you. You know what I'm saying
Hisam: I appreciate that. Yeah. I didn't know what your thoughts would be. So I always wanted to give you some input if you thought you wanted something. But if you don't it's fine.
Reilly: Yeah. But I do appreciate your honesty and I know it's difficult being up here. If you change your mind I'm open to that and talking with you and it is what it is.
Hisam: and here's what I'll say. I know that in all honesty, the game is still very young, and as you know, alliances shift all the time. And the people you thought weren't working together start working together. Cause we saw that in BB15, right liek when we saw, I forget her name like Rachel's sister and basically like Amanda started working together. We see that all the time. I wanna let you know I do really like you. I do think you're astrong competitor. I would to work with you, but I do feel like I have to respond to this.
Reilly; Yeah. Absolutely (Reilly tears up)
Hisam: What can I do to help?
Reilly: Nothing. I just really wanna be here. I think the first week is a really bad representation of who I am as a gameplayer and you know, I just wanted to redeem myself
hisam: And here's what I'll tell you. You're not out. You're playing the veto, right? So you are playing the endgame just early. Right? You're playing endgame, just early.
Reilly: Just, this room screwed me over in this game
Hisam: Here's what I'll say. We can't go back. We can only move forward. And here's, you learn lessons, and the truth of the matter is like, I learned very valuable lessons from you and I am so thankful, right? I'm so thankful for all of the lessons you taught me even though you did not necessarily intend that.
Reilly: Yeah. I never intended to hurt any feelings. Ever. I was just paranoid up here. Everyone was watching me and I think everything just got crazy. And I just, it's you know?
Hisam: Here's what I know about you. I know you would never have said my name. I know you were too smart to say a name. You're too smart. I heard you talk about this game. I know you know this game. I know you've watched these players. And that's why it surprised me. I was like she's too smart to tell people names. This early? After her nominatinos are already set, she's already talking about who she's going to go after next? So when I heard it, I didn't beleive it, cause I was like that' crazy. She wouldn't do that. Why would she do that. And then when I heard it from multiple people, then it was hard ot ignore
Reilly: I know. No it makes sense, and I understand, and respect your decision. So, yeah it's okay
Hisam: I have every intent that you will win this veto
Reilly: I plan to. I have to
Hisam: I know you're going to
Reilly: Gonna do what I gotta do
Hisam: And here's what I"ll tell you is I would never count you out.
Reilly: Would never count myself out
Hisam: And you shouldn't. Because I know you're strong, and you're reall yformidable. ANd I'm aware of that. And what I will tell you is because I believe you're formidable, and I respect you, I would never backdoor you. Does that make sense to you?
Reilly: mmhm
Hisam: I would never do that to you, because you deserve better than that. Right?
Reilly: I told myself I was gonna stop crying
hisam: Listen, you're having an emotional response to bad information. That's an appropriate emotional response.
Reilly: I know what I gotta do. That's it
Hisam: Yeah. And so like get your head in the game. There's no surprises. I'm not like BIg BRother being like expect the unexpected. I'm telling you the answer, and what we know, is there's lots of twists to come. And so we have no idea what the next twist will be. We haev no idea what the veto competition would be. We have no idea what will happne. So I really believe. I really beleive in you
Reilly: I believe in myself too
Hisam: And I really hope that this will not change the fact that I was like we can still work together. I know that this sucks but like, unfortunately I think that people would be like that makes no sense, and I care about people respecting me as I care about them respecting you and I just think that peopl ewould find that bizarre.
Reilly: It makes sense
Hisam: And I think. And I do believe if we were reversed, you would d osomething similar
Reilly: mmhm
Hisam: yeha, and I think you would give me an opportunity also to compete
Reilly: Absolutely. Yeah that makes sense
Hisam: Yeah. I'm sorry
Reilly: It's okay. I'm sorry for last week. Not a good moment ofr me or anyone in, you know
Hisam: Do you want a hug?
Reilly: Sure
Hisam: Yeha come here, come here (hug). You're erally wonderful
Reilly: Sorry
HIsam: You are really really wonderful
Reilly; Sorry
Hisam: And I will say this to you, everyone says that about you.
Reilly: Maybe that will be enough to keep me
Hisam: Relax everyone says you're so wonderful
Reilly: I just feel like I didn't represent myself well last week. I do know I'm wonderful. That I Was raised right and I have a good head on my shoulders. I think I just let the paranoia get the best of me
Hisam: Yeah, and I'll just tell you there's a lot of emotions, that's just part of the game. That's the part we don't anticipate. There's a lot in the game. And here's what I'll tell you. I did not turn this televisoin on because I learned from you that this can make you paranoid
Reilly: It can. I was watching the door
Hisam: Yeah and once I heard that I was like I don't need to see this. I was like I do not need to see what's going on out there. There's nothing happening out there that I need to know about
Reilly: It'll drive you crazy
Hisam: I also learned that I need to spend less time here
Reilly: Oh yeah that's why I was staying up all night, I just don't wanna come back here. You feel like you're in an ivory castle up here
Hisam: And when you weren't sleeping, I was like oh she hasn't slept. And havin ghese really long conversations. So I was like I'm gonna have short converastions and go to sleep (laughs)
Reilly: You've done great so far. You are totally kicking my butt when it comes to this
Hisam: No no no, not like that i'm just saying I literally watched what you did and how hard it was. And that's not that you did a good job bad job, it's just I saw how hard it was. Just how hard it was. SO I was like well honestly I need to do something different. I was like that'shard. This job is hard. And it sucks, and it's really complicated. So it's lik eokay, what lessons acan I learn from you, and you were great. No I'm serious. I know you may feel like it's at your expense, but I think you will have shown everybody, and I am not thinking you're out. You are not out. And I know for a fact that you are still in this game. You are still in this game. And I enjoy competing agains tyou cause we love this game. And so we're gonna make some amazing gameplay, and Big Brother is gonna be like season 25 was on f***ing fire. And that's because of us. Right?
Reilly: Yeah
Hisam: That's because of who you are and who you are as a player. Because of who I am and hwo I am as a player
Hisam: Of course. As I've said to everyone. I'm playing honest. I'm playing transparent. I'm not hiding anything. I'm telling you who I am. I want people to know that you can trust me. Now, I know, this is the stupidest way to play this game
Reilly: Trust me, I understand. I literally do not know who I am anymore so I
Hisam: But at the same time I was like this is just how it is
Reilly: I understand. It makes sense. Totally. I did it to myself it's fine
Hisam: But you will also undo it
Reilly: Yeah which is wha tI'm trying to do
Hisam: Yeah, listen to what I'm saying, you will also undo it. Right? And it starts with you helping yourself get off the block, which I know you can do. Otherwise if I was being a dick I'd be like well f*** you. You're not coming off the block
Reilly: Yeah I know. I don't think you're physically capable of that so
Hisam: I'm not physcailly capable of doing that to someone. It's not kind, right? And you know the peole that my family wrote in my letter about being kind and having integrity and being humorous, that's important to me. That's who I am to them, and that's who I wanna be here, and I iddn't realize how much this can make you paranoid
Reillky: It makes you feel things and do things you didn't know you could feel or do
Hisam: I will tell you having cried three times in the DR, that is absolutely right. I had no idea that would happen to me.
Reilly: Yeah, I never thought I'd cry. Nothing ever breaks me. Like I"ll cry when it'shappy or something cool happens, or something reall ybeautiful. That's why everyone calls me Cryly, because I will tear up but like when it comes to adversity and stuff I normally just hold it together
Hisam: Yeah, me too
Reilly: and now I'm like (cry face)
Hisam: Me too. I've never been crying, I'm not a tearful person. I was like when they asked like when's the last time you cried, I was l ike 2017? When was that 2017? That was so long ago. And I remember why I was crying. It was such an emotional response. But it was like the fact that I'm in this house, I was like I don't know why I'm crying
Reilly: Yeah, it's a pressure cooker, and it's Big Brother and you know it's hard when you really love everybody and you just have to do things because you just have to do them. It's just, and then that's why this game is so entertaining for people because we just suffer
Hisam: But it's also why we love it and why this game is so hard. I think like, I underestimated how hard it would be. It's really erally really hard.
Reilly: Nobody outside iwll ever understand how this feels
Hisam: They will never understand it. And they will never understnad how hard it is to have this moment. This is a hard moment, for both of us.
Reilly: But it's also a learning moment, and no matter your choice, I am very sorry for everything
Hisma: You don't have to apologize to me, I already accepted your apology
Reilly: I know I just wanted to say it for myself too
Hisma: You are a star
Reilly: Because last week was not pretty, and I feel like I just turned and I just didn't think before I let the paranoia get to me. I should've just calmed. Normally I breathe and then I take a shower, and I can relax. I'm like okay, nevermind, like that was silly. I think I just let it get to me and I'm just you know I never meant to make you feel like that and this is human, me, coming and telling you I am so sorry and you knwo whateer happens I understand. I'm gonna fight for myself and hopefully I can stay but moving forward
HIsam: No, you're gonna fight for yourself
Reilly: But even after that, if I do end up staying in this game, moving forwar,d I really want you to know that that's not gonna happen again. I twas a first week moment
Hisam: And I'm hoping that when you come back, if you come back, whatever happens happens, and that there's a place where the two of us can work together. But I do, as you know, have to respond to this, so that we can start over.
Reilly: Yeah
Hisam: So we literally can start over. Okay? So whatever the outcome is, this is an opportunity fo rus to start over. Okay?
They hug
Reilly tells him not to turn on the TV
Hisam: No girl no. I was like it's cool, but not cool. Because like you can' thear anyuthing. So all you do is see people moving and talking
Reilly: And any little noise you're like (noise), like who's talking
Hisam: Yeha, you're like are they talking about the weather? Are they talking about thegame? What are they talking about? Are they talking about me? Like are they trying to get me out? I was like no. I don't need any of that. It's already hard. Let alone turning on the television like what is everybody doing
Reilly: Yeah
Hisam: I will go find everybody
Reilly: I'd sit there and stare at the kitchen like what am I doing i tis 3 in the morning. Like go to bed
Hisam: Thank you so much. I know it was a hard conversation but you're getting better and better at this
Reilly: I am getting better an dbetter. You're helping me practice
Hisam: Yes, you're getting better and better at these
Reilly: Alright well thank you for being honest and if anything changes you let me know but
Hisam: Yes, here's wha tI"ll tell you. Everything can change. Everything can change. That's the beautiful part of this game. Everything can change
Reilly; Exactly
Hisam: And we have seen it over and over and over again
Reilly: Yeah. Absolutely. Well see ya later
Reilly leaves
Matt comes back to ask Hisam if it was someone still in the house that said he was talking about HIsam
Hisam says it was Kirsten
Matt says okay, he thinks she was full of sh**. It was just beating him up. If someone's going around lying about him it's just annoying. He knew not to listen to Kirsten
Hisam says the problem with Kirsten was that some of the sh** she said was true. And some of the sh** she said was a lie, and it was very hard to know, which is why everyone thought it was a good idea for her to go