Cirie says whoever uses the veto on her, she would put them up
Izzy says you can't.
Cirie says she forgot about that. Matt better win.
Izzy says says Cory told her she wanted Reilly to stay
Hisam joins them
Cirie says America said she wasn't gonna use the veto on anybody. She wants to do what Hisam wants
Hisam says he still thinks Matt is workable
Izzy says he needs to be the last person to talk to Matt
Hisam says the ideal situation is him, Cameron, America. The three that it's not good Reilly, Matt, and Blue. He's a little annoyed. He knows Jared is a good person but he was like Jared don't give that power away
Cirie asks what he means
Hisam says to keep someone safe the whole week
Cirie says Jag's not safe the whole week
Izzy asks if he can't be a backdoor option
Hisam shakes his head no
Cirie asks if he's sure
Hisam says positive.
Cirie says Jag wasn't at the thing so he couldn't be nominated
Hisam says and then of course Jag used it against them. He said Bowie volunteered, and he told Bowie not to volunteer for that
Cirie says Bowie told him "whatever you want"
Hisam says he knows she did, and he told her don't do that. Jag approached him and said he thinks he'll use it on either Blue or Red, and he said both of those are fine, and then he went and gave it to Bowie
Izzy asks what was the deal with that
Hisam says you know what the deal with that was
Izzy asks what he's thinking to put up if someone comes down
Hisam says he doesn't know. He wants Reilly out so badly. He thinks Reilly is really problematic for everybodys' game. It's a good thing they put Reilly on the block because Jag would have put her through the Nether
Cirie and Izzy say exactly
Hisam says so it's actually good that they took a chance and put her on the block because she would've fallen off the radar the minute he had tha tpower. From that standpoint he feels good about what they did. They question is if Cameron wins, it doesn't matter who they put up, they have the votes. She goes home. If she wins, then who do they put up against Cameron
Cirie says Matt
Izzy says what if MAtt is the one that pulls her off
Cirie says they're just going by each person. If Cameron wins, then Matt would go up
Hisam asks if they send MAtt home
Cirie says no
Hisam says you have to send Matt home
Cirie asks not Reilly? Cause if Cameron won and he pulled himsel fdown, because Cameron's not gonna take Reilly down
Izzy says they're talking about if Cameron wins
Hisam says if Cameron wins, they put up Cory. Cory will know he's safe. He's not going anywhere. He will talk to Cory about the episode. It will make sense for him to be the replacement, and then basically they get rid of Reilly. That makes sense. Because he's not gonna put up America because she said she's not gonna use the veto, so they're not doing that. They can't put up Jag
[Feeds switch]
Hisam says it's possible that Matt could come over to their side. If Reilly wins, Cameron goes home, but if they put Matt up then Matt goes home
Cirie says if Matt and Cameron are there he wants them to vote Matt?
Hisam says right. They have to vote Matt so that Cameron believes that he can trust them
Izzy says so that Reilly doesn't keep her number one, or at least in her eyes
Hisam says he doesn't want to put Matt up, and it would be really hard to put Matt up
Cirie says he still has the option of Cory as the pawn, and Cameron going home
Hisam says that leaves Matt and Reilly together
Cirie asks why they think Matt is the number one and not Jag
11:59 AM BBT: Hisam says he really hopes that America or him win
He hopes the comp is who can get closest to an hour
The best game move is for Matt to go up and for Mat tto go home. Which sucks. But the truth is if Reilly wins Matt has to go home, and if Cameron wins, Reilly goes home. And if America or him win, Reilly goes home. And if Blue wins, send Matt. But it's gotta be Matt because they have to prove to Cameron he's on their side so he can still attack the others, and he doesn't want to send Matt home... then it's just the three of them, and it's amazing to him that those three think that it'll be them agains tthe whole house. ... it's just stupidity. They have the opportunity to build bridges, and they're gonna throw that away to basically help this white
[Feeds cut]
Hisam says what could've been a perfect week becomes less than perfect with two serious mistakes. He originally thought they'd be getting rid of Cameron but now it's shifting to Matt. The truth is it just sucks. Matt's game doesn't have to end so they can save Reilly, and what he will probably have to do is have a conversation with Blue and Matt and say if she chooses to save Reilly with this, the house is suggesting that Matt be the replacement, and Matt will go home, and Matt has much more of story to tell than Reilly. So they will get to choose what they do. If they choose to save Reilly then know they are sealing Matt's fate.
[Feeds switch]
Hisam talks about the veto player picks, and how he picked Matt, and Reilly got houseguest choice. Getting rid of Matt will be sad. But they're not gonna put that into the universe. They're going to win this veto. They have good odds of winning the veto. They have strong competitors. He's not afraid of Reilly. He's already beaten her once.
Izzy says beaten her once, and he's currently beating her in the game.
Hisam says he threw the first comp. So he knows he can beat her.
Izzy says she's fragile right now. He's focused
Hisam says no she's beatable. He will show everyone they can stay together. He doesn't know what the comp will be but he hopes it's counting to an hour. He would feel really confident in.
Izzy says that's what they're putting into the multiverse
Cirie says thank you for the chat
Hisam says he just can't believe this. He knows this game is fair but part of him he doesn't want to tell what he's gonna do until it's done because you put that into the universe and all of a sudden comes true. he doesn't want to pick Matt. Matt.
Izzy says one step at a time
Hisam says good plan. And here's what he'll say. If their sides wins it, they don't have to hide it. They can just basically plan the next weeks. It's clearly now gonna be Blue and Jag.
12:26 PM BBT: Red talks with Hisam in the HOH room
Red says he's heard from multiple people that him and Izzy are running things
Hisam asks if it was from the other side of the house
Red says yeah. But he's thinking is BLue wins she's probably taking down Reilly. But then if Cam wins, then he's probably going up because of their connection. It's a potential backdoor
Hisam asks why he would backdoor him
Red says not him, she's just thinking like... oh yeah he has to do the nomination.
Hisam says he's okay
Red says he forgets that Hisam chooses that
Hisam says this is dumb gameplay. The idea of protecting Reilly is really dumb. It's the three of them vs. the whole house. And he knows that it's coming frmo Blue and Jag because they feel threatened. And they should because their game is tied to Reilly's. The problem is that Reilly is a sinking ship. If Blue takes down Reilly, then most likely he has an option of putting someone up and he will put someone up that will potentially weaken their side. Not something he wants to do but something you have to do. It's just really really dumb. This can be a very easy week of getting Reilly out. The reason he's going after Reilly is that REilly is basically controlling everybody. It's not him controlling the house. It's him trying to re-establish some normalcy. ANd he thinks thi sis just emotional gameplay. "This is my friend, I wanna save my friend". So he's like okay, save your friend. This week there is a good nother option
Red says they can pick somebody that they know is probably gonna head out
Hisam says they decide who leaves, so this is just... He's not sure what this is all about. He knows she picked Blue because Blue would probably save her. They're ride or dies to the end and they will leave together. This is just...
(You can hear the HGs on th ebalcony celebrating over a game)
Hisam says the two of them are like "we have to protect Reilly now". He's actually protecting them and they're not gonna protect themselves?
Red says he has to start donig more talking with people
Hisam says best case scenario is that America, him, or Cam win. THe worst scenario is if Reilly wins, and even worse than that is if Blue wins and takes Reilly down. If Reilly wins they put Blue up they send Blue home.
Red says those were two that were on his list, but he likes Hisam's idea better.
HIsam says he's just like this is so stupid. Be smart about your gameplay. Reilly doesn't give two sh**s about you. She's telling everyone you better, you have to, if you don't. He doesn' tunderstand this running the house. He's run a couple competitions. He won the last competition for HOH, not because he won it but because Jared chose wrong. IN the stacking competition he got luck that all of those pieces clicked for him. And maybe his luck will continues. He hopes it will
Red says even if he doesn't, they'll keep him safe
Hisam says it just feels to him to be like what? You think the three of you are gonna take over 13 people? Are you crazy?
Red says that's great for their game
Hisam says he's mindblown that that would be their decision. But Cam is not going home this week, and he can reassure him. Cam is aligned with them. They're going to need a number to go after the others. Cam has done this really great thing about being on the block next to her. He wants Cam to feel, and he's doing something where he's trusting them, so he wants to demonstrate to him that he can trust them. The alternative is something he doesn't want to do.
Red says they have to hope that he's confident enough to keep himself up there
Hisam says no, if he wins, he takes himself off, and then they put someone else on. Most likely Cory. Cory's kind of floating through this game, and they reassure Cory he's not going anywhere. And the truth is Cory knows his target is Reilly. He knows he has the numbers to protect him.
Red says if he comes down, they wouldn't put up Blue and Reilly?
Hisam says there's no need. THey just put someone safe. Or they could put up Blue. That's not a bad idea either. So they can basically start...
Red says he doesn't think Cory is much of a threat at all. He told him he feels very in the middle
Hisam says it may be better to put Blue up because she's already on the opposite side. So that they're not making anything luckier. But they might as well go for it. But Cameron coming down is great, Reilly still goes home. He wins, Reilly goes home. America wins, Reilly goes home. Matt wins, likely it will be Blue goes home potentially. Get rid of one o fhe rnumbers
Red says either way this is panning out really good for them almost. If Reilly wins and she takes herself down, they still got Blue out. THey can get Reilly next week
Hisam says if Reilly takes herself down, then they look at other options and see who is the strongest of the lot. There are still strong options on that side. It's just like, it really should be 5 against 1. He doesn't know why it isn't. Jag came up to him and he as like it was either Blue or Red. Because Red would take Cam down and Blue would take Reilly down. So he would send Blue so that she isn't forced ot pick because Reilly is still the target. And then he chose Bowie. And he thinks that he's stupid like he doesn't know why he chose Bowie. He's some sort of mastermind genius that basically HIsam doesn't understand why he chose Bowie. He's like but she volunteered, and he's like mmhm, I'm sure she did, but that's not the reason to pick her. He could've picked naybody. It's pretty obvious why he's picking BOwie, because he's afraid she'll compete on their side and send his girl home. But this is just mindblowing to him that these two are doing their best to protect her, and not looking at the rest of the house like we in trouble.
Red says they think they're gravy because they think they have so many people playing. He feels a lot better. His brain was just foggy
Hisam says America told him and then also went to Felicia and Cirie and said she's not using that veto.
Red says he hasn't talked game with her and she's quiet
Hisam says she's not using it. Matt he thinks he convinced not to use it, so it's really just Blue and Reilly. And if he can get Blue and Reilly out of the way, then he doesn't care. Blue, Reilly, Matt, then he doesn't care who really wins. Cam, wins he takes himself down, fine. America wins it, keeps everything the same. He wins it he keeps everything the same. Reilly goes home. He's glad he put Reilly on the block because if Jag had had that power he would've sent her to the nether region.
Red says he feels a lot better, again. He really better get some sleep tonight
Hisam says he was just thinking that out of anybody they could've picked, they couldn't get anyone on their side?
Red says he was hoping, he really just wanted to compete. And with houseguest choice, maybe because of that ride or die thing that's why she picked her
Hisam says well she picked her but it's gonna be 3 against everybody. He's not sure they're really aware that everyone else is not on their side. He thinks they're thinking they have Cory, Matt, these people, so they actually have the numbers moving into next week. It's like okay, maybe. If you think you have the numbers keep going
Red says Blue is one of them that he heard saying Hisam/Izzy, and then quiet as he walked by. He thinks she was talking to America
Hisam says if she goes down then maybe they put Blue up and they basically say she's now saying their names, so maybe it's her. Her ride or die to protect Reilly has caused her to end. And then they work on pulling Matt over.
Red says he thinks they can get Cory out at any time
Hisam says yeha, so maybe it's Blue. Go after Blue, and just know she's basically telling everyone
Red says he doesn't know what she's telling everyone, he just heard the names in passing. So he wasn't there for a whole conversation. But Cam told him that they all think that he and Izzy are running this game.
Hisam says he doesn't think that's the case.
Red says he can ask him too
Hisam says no he believes it, but he thinks that's really dangerous. That's coming from two people. Because he doesn't feel like he's running the game
Red says he thinks it's that people are seeing him win. It's that illusion of he's set himself in this position. But no, they've got a solid protection group so it isn't a big deal. But Izzy's kind of obvious when she's talking game because she's so animated. He thinks people just see that and assume things. And she is a superfan. The stuff Cam knows, he's borderline superfan too. Cameron, America.
Hisam says this week they keep Cam safe. He's not going anywhere. It will be someone from that side. It just depends on who it is from that side
Red says it's good to have two superfans on your side.
...
Hisam says this is just crazy. If Blue wins or Reilly wins, then this is gonna all blow up
Red asks if Cameron comes down if the is default is Cory
12:58 PM BBT: Cirie talks with Cory in the Comic room
Cory says the only thing he feels is real is him, Izzy, her, and Jared
They talk about the Traitors thing for a bit
Cory says his concern is that if Matt wins and takes Reilly off, he thinks he's in trouble. he doesn't think he would nominate Blue
Cirie says he said he can't because of the LGBT thing. There's still America. She knows people don't want to be on the block, she doesn't want to be on the block, just putting that out there. But even if, they have the numbers, Hisam wants Matt gone because that's one more peg out of Reilly's (??)
Cory says that's why the only outcome he doesn't like is Matt taking Reilly off. If Reilly goes of fit's fine
Cirie says he's gonna talk to Matt. He said he was gonna straight up tell him. She doesn't think it's a good idea to tell Matt that if he wins and pulls Reilly off...
Cory says he thinks that might be the first fight, and he doesn't think Matt's the type to scream and he doesn't think Hisam is either, but he thinks that would be an actual conversation
Cirie says he said he was gonna have a conversation with him and worst case scenario... and she was like damn he's gonna tell him that? She can't tell Hisam what to do though
Cory says if he says Matt if you take off Reilly I'll put up, he can even threatened Matt with America
Cirie says he doesn't care about America
Cory says he'd rather Reilly off than America
Cirie says she doesn't know why he doesn't just let Cameron go
Cory says the noms should just be America because no one's gonna vote America off
Cirie says right. Maybe he should talk to hisam
Cory says he thinks preemptively it's ilke...
Cirie says wait til after the veto
Cory says it's only one outcome where it's a problem
Cirie says exactly so don't talk to him, but after she would talk to him if God forbid
Cory says he's been straightforward with Hisam. He's gonna be like he thinks he knows what his plan was. He went and told Reilly he wasn't gonna use the veto on her. She went and houseguest choice to not pick him. At the end of the day, he's just trying to
Cirie says bet case scenario they can tell Hisam... let's not put that into the universe. Matt's not gonna win the veto and pull Reilly off but if he did, she thinks they could talk Hisam into using America as a pawn.
Cory says he thinks she would push back but not as hard as he would push back
Cirie says they just have to have conversations if Matt wins but she doesn't think so. She thinks Reilly's gonna win. If Reilly wins he said he's putting up Matt
Cory says right nowhe has no relationship with Jag. He doesn't have much relationship with Matt
Cirie says Matt's never talked game to her, not one iota. The only thing he told her was that Hisam said somebody told him that Matt said he was stubborn and didn't awnt to work with him, but Matt came back and told her that was Kirsten. So that's the only game Matt's talked with her
Cory says America and him have started to talk a little bit
Cirie says she's tried with America twice. She's not trying naymore. She got down to, here the ball's in your court, because she doesn't know what she wants to do because she doesn't talk to her
Cory says he thinks in that thing she was very content
Cirie says yeah she's on the bottom of that thing. They don't talk about protecting her ever
Cory says she's smart enough to know she probaly could just slip through. ... By the time everything else dissolves she'll just be around. Someone'll needher for something
Cirie says which is smart
Cory says she knows the show as much as anybody
Cirie says she's with Rachel. Floaters get a life vest. You can't the whole time
Cory says he talked to Red for the first time. He said everyone's attaching him to Cameron
Cirie says because he came in and campaigned for him to be in their alliance, that's why.
Cory says they were in the (??) and said they wouldn't put each other up if they win HOH. It was nothing
Cirie says she doesn't like those conversations
Cory says because they're fake, and everyone knows it. You have to say it back. What are you supposed to say, thank you? His whole thing is Reilly he thinks is not a fan right now, but there's a real possibility she stays this week through this veto in which case he's just trying to work for Izzy as hard as he can because... He thinks REilly is so scared because she thinks the entire everyone downstairs is against her. She says "me and Cirie are like this (crosses fingers)"
Cirie says she thinks that. She lets her
Cory says she counts her for a vote. She's like Cirie and Felicia are the people. He's like how the f*** is she thi with Cirie and she thinks Izzy...
Cirie says right, that's why it doesn't make sense
Cory says he told her to go make peace with Izzy
Cirie says yeah you can't be against Izzy and be anything with her
Cory says even if it's like a fake bullsh**. Her and Izzy and Felicia or whatever ...
CIrie says he has to talk to Izzy and tell her to talk to Reilly
Cory says Izzy and him talked earlier about it.
...
Cory says he thinks Reilly believed Izzy and Hisam are the problem. Hisam being *the* problem, Izzy being number two
Cirie says it's not true
Cory says so he thinks REilly thinks it's irredeemable because Izzy would never forgive that, which he probably wouldn't either. That's fine for next week
Cirie asks about Hisam
Cory says that's a lost cause.
Cirie asks if he thinks her and Izzy should talk to her
Cory says he thinks she's good with Reilly. He just thinks Izzy's gotta...
Cirie says she needs to get her off of Izzy though
Cory says he thinks the way to do it is her talking to Reilly because without Cirie she feels like she has nothing down here.
Cirie says wow
Cory says she's not gonna talk to Red, Bowie, she's not talking to Hisam. She actually goes "me and Cirie are like this (crosses fingers)". And she's starting to count votes, she's like well, I've got Cirie and Felicia
Cirie says she told her to talk to Felicia because Felicia would like whatever Hisam says
Cory says if she ends up going home this weke, she goes home this week and it's not a problem. If she doesn't, she's the one who wins HOH. You know she's keeping Matt and Jag. They're safe, but she's one of those people who at this point she's a really good competitior, and he's not in a great spot with her, so if she goes, it's...
Cirie says it's okay
Cory says the way this draw just worked out
Cirie says they need Cameron, Hisam or America to win, because America said she's not using it
Cory says if Reilly wins Matt goes home, it's fine. But is there a reason if REilly wins Matt goes home instead of Cameron?
Cirie says because that's one of her people or Jag or Blue, but he's not gonna do Blue because of LGBT, and Jag you can't do because of that thing. Matt is like, Matt will do whatever she tells him to
Cory says that's what scares him. It's very hard to navigate and the last thing he's gonna do is be like hey don't do that. When he's starting to count the people who could be the replacement nominee, he's like it can' tbe this person. He just feels like fo rHIsam it's gonna get messy at some point and he's just not looking forward to it because it's gonna be tough to watch, and at some point Hisam is such a big presence, someone's gonna win on that side, and someone's gonna target him
Cirie says it's gonna be a constant ping pong game if Reilly doesn't go.
Cory says he feels like she's in a great spot, and he's in a good spot, but he's almost too transparently in a good spot where
Cirie says that's like America
Cory says he doesn't think America is having as many conversations. She's sitting near them when they're chatting about bullsh**, but he doesn't know if America is talking to like
Cirie says she came and told them that she talked to Hisam and told him she's not using the veto. She's leaning but she didn't step in
Cory says they think they have four chances to win this thing
Cirie asks if they think she's gonna use it
Cory says he thinks so, but he thinks JAred knows and he knows, but he thinks she's throwing this competition.
Cirie says that makes sense. Not smart for her to win it
Cory says he thinks the problem with America is she's never gonna be a big enough problem to get rid of. Ever
Cirie says right. Float her way
Cory says for him he feels like his goal was to hope this side wins HOH, this side wins HOH, and at the end of the day the Reilly, group of people is just a lot scarier in terms of the competitions, and they're a lot closer, but if one side wins five in a row, it's not gonna be good. He can't be in the middle because he has no relationships with, as soon as Reilly goes, he's literally closest with
Cirie says Jared?
Cory says if you can count Jared on that side naymore
Cirie says Jared is on this side. If Reilly goes, who do they have over there
Cory says no one, but the thing is, he's probably Reilly's number 3. ... She thinks her and Cirie are tight
Cirie says she knows
Cory says if some shenanigans happen it should be fine. It should be Izzy that she worries about
Cirie asks how she can get her off of Izzy
Cory asks what Cameron's problem with her (Cirie) is
Cirie says she doesn't know. He was like a lightbulb went off. Which is stupid because he ain't even really all the way over here good, so don't start
Cirie asks if he said anything more than she was on the Traitors
Cory says he was just talking about it, and he also said his mom is a big fan of hers, which is one more degree of information that he doesn't believe
Cirie asks if that's all he said
Jared says he's just under the impression that this house is filled with influencers and entertainers, and six regular people
Cirie says yeah because he thinks Felicia is Denzel Washington's something
Cory says the whole thing is if HIsam wins the competition, Reilly goes and everything is golden
Jared says he just doesn't want Matt to win. He doesn't know who Hisam would go after
Cory says he thinks it'd be him or America
Jared says America is not trying to rock with them no more
Cirie says she knows, America came and told them that she's not gonna use the veto at all
Jared says she told him. Works for him
Cory says he doesn't know how convincing it is, but the only argument he could make is say he kind of burned the Reilly bridge for him this week. He went to her and said he wasn't gonna use the veto. Everyone else was chosen in the group except for him, Jared, and Blue, and she chose Blue. It's like
Izzy walks in
Cory says they have like five minutes before Reilly and America
Cirie says they never get 5 minutes
Jared asks if they know who Hisam is gonna put up if Cameron comes down
Cirie says they have to talk him into America as a pawn
Jared says who else, it would be him and Cory
Cirie says if he was to do Cory it would probably be as a pawn
Cory says the reality is he'd rather die than do that
Cirie says she's putting that out there right now. She'd rather die than be a pawn. Don't come to her with that bullsh**
Izzy syas she's gonna shut that down right quick
Cory says he thinks the decision between him and America matters that much to Hisam
Cirie says it does because, she doesn't even think he has conversations like that with America. When they told him that she wasn't using the veot, he was like really? He feels like Cory is more on the outside
Cory says that's what he's saying. Personally between tehm two he probably doesn't give too much of a sh** so any push one way or the other
Cirie tells Izzy they could talk America for Hisam
Cory says also who's more like to win HOH, him or America.
Jared leaves
Cirie says if they have to have that conversation, those are talking points
Cory says you can even tell Hisam America is throwing competitions because she's not trying to win this veto. There's no chance. Even if you nominate America, she's not gonna go in and win HOH and nominate you. That's not her. And this is all one of the one to six outcomes and that's if he can't convince Matt to keep noms, which he doesn't think he can.
Izzy says Hisam said he was gonna try
Cory says there's no way right?
Izzy says she also wants to talk to Matt
Cirie says maybe with Izzy's help
Izzy says she definitely was planning on it
Cirie says she has to do it sooner or later because they don't know when they're gonna go
Izzy says she doesn't want to be the first one to do it.
...
Cory says if it happens, Reilly would be devastated. it would be so sad and good
Cirie says Reilly's gonna be all ove rher
Cory says if push comes to shove, even if her and Reilly don't connect in the next couple days, he's certain... Cirie is so important to her game because she thinks she has nothing else outside of him and Jag and...
1:19 PM BBT: Cirie continues her conversation with Izzy in the Comic room
Cirie says she says to figure out how to convey to Reilly that if she f***s with Izzy, they're done. Not in those terms
...
Izzy says if Matt wins she's gonna help work on MAtt
Cirie asks if she thinks he's that stupid to play Reilly's game
Izzy asks haven't they all kinda been?
Cirie says she's never seen anything like this (bowing down to Reilly)
Izzy what did she do that first week to make them be like that?
Cirie says maybe because she's such a challenge beast. But They've only seen her do one challenge. So how do they determine that she's the God of Big Brother 25
Izzy says they all were feraking out becuase she held onto that wall on teh first night. The one that took Cory before Cirie came into the house
Cirie asks who else was in that, Luke Red
Izzy says it was Luke, Red, Cory, and Reilly
Cirie says Cory doesn't count. So she beat Luke and Red
Izzy says she didn't. They stopped it because it was just first out and then the comp ends. What kills her about it is why are those boys so stupid. She told Luke, he weighs a lot. Reilly is strong, it doesn't weigh very much compared to her strength. It's like America would've been great at that comp. Her and Cirie wouldn't have been great at that comp. That's why she didn't do it
Cirie says speak for yourself (joking)
Izzy says she knows she's strong but not when it comes to body weight strength. Relax